Instructors who did not respond to the survey

Andy Helme
Beverley Prideaux
Debbie Sheen
Diana Pineiro
Graham Norton
Kanwaljit Sahi
Magdalena Zakrzewska
Margaret Brown
Matthew Gibbins
Michael Asquith
Nigel Fisher
Rani Stewart
Michael Watts
Sue Treversh

1. Home administration

“Home administration allowance is currently 3 hours per month, with extra hours added for specific home tasks. Do you think that is enough time?”

Allowance is enough Number of Instructors
Yes 52
No 3

“(If) your answer to the last question was ‘no’; what do you think would be more appropriate and why?”

Three responses:

Reason home admin allowance needs to increase
There are considerable amounts of emails from SCC that have to be read’ auctioned and checked against the portal. There is also the portal ptom
We get daily emails, changes and alterations to where we work, we now have to check consent forms on line. More likely 4 hrs per month
The need to logon fluctuates during the year. So busy times we are more less busy times are less i know obvious but equally an instructor that works more regularly does need to do more admin. I would say an hour a week so equates to about 4.33 hours a month. The new register system is taking more time. The iphone will also increase time


2. Discretionary allowances

“The allowances for helmet, wet weather gear, tools and panniers are currently separate. Would you prefer them to be merged into one overall allowance?”

Should the discretionary allowances be merged? Number of Instructors
Yes 35
No 20

“Do you think the amount you can claim for the discretionary allowances is enough?”

Is the amount for discretionary allowances enough? Number of Instructors
Yes 39
No 16

“(If) your answer to the last question was ‘no’; what do you think would be more appropriate and why?”

Sixteen responses:

Reference Reason discretionary allowances need to increase
1 Cost of living has gone up, products such as foul weather clothing for example. Clothing that is fit for purpose and lasts cost a lot more now.
2 The bicycles themselves are an expense to maintain,especially when used daily and in all weathers. Bicycle tyres, gear cables wear out and bikes need servicing, which costs over £50 per service, not including parts. Tyres are £30+ each, chains £14-20, brake pads £10. Lights to get to/from the location cost £40-100 for a set, much needed from Oct - April. It adds up. It is an operating expense that needs to be included.
3 Cycle repairs and parts have risen sharply. £0.20 per mile does not cover the cost of the repairs and warn parts in using our own cycles. I think there should be a one off payment each year of say £25 to £30 in addition to the £0.20 per mile claim.
4 I feel the allowance for wet weather gear particularly is not enough. I spend alot more on jackets, trousers and shoes not to mention gloves than is given even looking at it as ‘discretionary’.
5 I don’t think cost have kept up with the rising costs of equipment. This should be reviewed each year

The wet weather allowance, I needed to replace both upper and lower items, the contribution was a fraction towards both items. Fairly decent items do come at a cost but last longer and are more effective- waterproof especially for travelling to work and then working outside - it’s miserable to be wet, I invested in weatherproof shoes too but have never claimed as technically not Clothing. During COVID I did purchase and claim for new pannier but to get a decent water proof pannier was expensive but happy I got a contribution as I could get something that suited my needs and I was able to choose myself.

A contribution to each item, as some items last longer. Also a contribution means you can choose an item that suits your requirements.

Being able to choose own items is helpful for size/fit etc.
7 Due to the cost of living everything is now more expensive. I think that the allowances should be increased in line with yearly inflation or the price index to allow for price increases as the allowance is not going as far as it used to.
8 Wet weather gear is expensive and the contribution should reflect this. This includes shoes, panniers, jackets, gloves, waterproof trousers. Helmets need to be replaced every three years,
9 Some of the contributions are adequate such as helmet and wet weather clothing. Tools amount really varies, if your equipment breaks or not - £20 annually won’t cover the cost of a decent pump for example. Cleaning tabards- only around £12 a year! I generally wash them every week due to rain/mud stains etc so with electricity and wash powder it costs £1.25 per wash. Printing costs- can vary due to how many updated maps I print.
10 The allowance is a contribution but if you want to buy good quality panniers & clothing particularly for winter working it would assist if it was increased.

I think that combining the discretionary allowances would complicate the claims procedure if receipts were required for each category. The clothing allowances are reasonable.

The allowance for tools, inner tubes etc is low and should perhaps be separated to take into account the considerable outlay trainers may need to make initially to buy the (recommended from the maintenance course) tools they will need. A once only purchase. £20/year does not cover the cost of tubes and spares. I would suggest at least £40/year.
12 With living cost going up so is the cost of cycle clothing and gears. It was particularly challenging with waterproof clothing for colder weather which are costly but it’s a must to work outside in such condition. I think allowance for the rest is ok for this year but for waterproof clothing £150-160 is probably more appropriate.
13 The cost of helmet, panniers and warm/dry clothing that is of any reasonable quality is high.
14 The cost of equipment has increased considerably in recent years and therefore the allowance should be increased accordingly
15 The wet weather gear doesn’t last for 2 years, I appreciate it’s not going to be 100% in some of the conditions we now have.
16 The prices of everything have gone up, especially over the last year or so. You can pay for cheaper wet weather gear for example but it just will not last and give you the protection that is required.


3. Tool requests

Name Tool requested
Alistair Lang Bar ends
Alistair Lang Electrical tape
Alistair Lang Wet lubricant
Alistair Lang Puncture patches
Amanda Johnson Adjustable spanner
Amanda Johnson Cable ties
Amanda Johnson Bar ends
Amanda Johnson Electrical tape
Amanda Johnson Wet lubricant
Amanda Johnson Puncture patches
Annabelle Page Adjustable spanner
Annabelle Page Cable ties
Annabelle Page Bar ends
Annabelle Page Electrical tape
Annabelle Page Wet lubricant
Annabelle Page Puncture patches
Briand Beausoleil Adjustable spanner
Briand Beausoleil Multi-tool
Briand Beausoleil Tyre levers
Briand Beausoleil Minipump
Briand Beausoleil Cable ties
Briand Beausoleil Bar ends
Briand Beausoleil Electrical tape
Briand Beausoleil Wet lubricant
Briand Beausoleil Puncture patches
Carol Marshall Multi-tool
Carol Marshall Minipump
Carol Marshall Cable ties
Carol Marshall Bar ends
Carol Marshall Electrical tape
Carol Marshall Wet lubricant
Dorothy Lip Adjustable spanner
Dorothy Lip Multi-tool
Dorothy Lip Tyre levers
Dorothy Lip Minipump
Dorothy Lip Cable ties
Dorothy Lip Bar ends
Dorothy Lip Electrical tape
Dorothy Lip Wet lubricant
Dorothy Lip Puncture patches
Ian Johnson Adjustable spanner
Ian Johnson Cable ties
Ian Johnson Bar ends
Ian Johnson Electrical tape
Ian Johnson Wet lubricant
Ian Ransom Cable ties
Ian Ransom Bar ends
Ian Ransom Electrical tape
Ian Ransom Wet lubricant
Janine Reilly Adjustable spanner
Janine Reilly Cable ties
Janine Reilly Bar ends
Janine Reilly Electrical tape
Janine Reilly Wet lubricant
Janine Reilly Puncture patches
Jessica Shipp Adjustable spanner
Jessica Shipp Cable ties
Jessica Shipp Bar ends
Jessica Shipp Wet lubricant
Karen Hubbard Adjustable spanner
Karen Hubbard Bar ends
Karen Hubbard Wet lubricant
Lisa Bywell Adjustable spanner
Lisa Bywell Cable ties
Lisa Bywell Bar ends
Lisa Bywell Electrical tape
Lisa Bywell Wet lubricant
Lucy Eyre Adjustable spanner
Lucy Eyre Bar ends
Michael Garnham Adjustable spanner
Michael Garnham Multi-tool
Michael Garnham Tyre levers
Michael Garnham Minipump
Michael Garnham Cable ties
Michael Garnham Bar ends
Michael Garnham Electrical tape
Michael Garnham Wet lubricant
Michael Garnham Puncture patches
Paul Evans Minipump
Richard King Cable ties
Richard King Bar ends
Richard King Electrical tape
Richard King Wet lubricant
Richard King Puncture patches
Trisha Taylor-firth Tyre levers
Trisha Taylor-firth Minipump
Trisha Taylor-firth Cable ties
Trisha Taylor-firth Bar ends
Trisha Taylor-firth Electrical tape
Trisha Taylor-firth Wet lubricant


4. Laptop

“Would you like to be supplied with an SCC laptop for home use? (If you answer ‘yes’, the office team will order one for you)”

Name Request
Carol Marshall Contact me as I’d like to find out more before deciding
Jennifer L Green Contact me as I’d like to find out more before deciding
Jude Watts Contact me as I’d like to find out more before deciding
Karen Hubbard Contact me as I’d like to find out more before deciding
Lynette Haddleton Contact me as I’d like to find out more before deciding
Mrs m j edmundson Contact me as I’d like to find out more before deciding
Paul Evans Contact me as I’d like to find out more before deciding
Pete Cook Contact me as I’d like to find out more before deciding
Aldith Bruty Yes
Helen Page Yes
Jessica Shipp Yes
Ken Storr Yes
Mr Christopher R Adams Yes


5. iPhone

“Do you feel confident to use the following on your SCC iPhone: phone, email, company portal, verisec?”


6. Online database

“Are there any improvements you’d like to see in the database? Your answer could cover rectifying something you find a bit annoying, or an idea for adding functionality that does not exist at the moment.”

Thirty-eight responses:

Reference Comments on online database

When you click on Calendar to view classes/registry/etc., the user has to go back to the main calendar to pull up the next class or other classes. This is inefficient and cumbersome.

Why are there emails for weekly class updates when the portal already shows this info.? More time spent reviewing the same info found in two places.
2 I just find it annoying when I look at a RA that I move all the markers - it’s quite hard to look at on a phone too if you’re at a school
3 The links to pdf documents don’t work. Any useful comments made at IQA sessions should be shared with all instructors not just the instructors who had the IQA.

I have found that I often, but not always, have to input dates. The calendar doesn’t always pop up.

I still have not managed to get rid of “you have unread” messages even though I have read all the unread messages!

Overall think the system works well.

Generally when it’s working it does the job. I find it hard to find particular news items or downloads at times. It is not logical always where they are found. News items particularly get lost in the mix and items concerning the way we deliver bikeability need to be stored in a more accessible way.

I’m not sure this is the place to say but I think the expense claim for on course mileage could be/should be automatically added for each lever 2 course. Also, as we are expected to use our cycles for level 1 courses there should be an on course payment.

When I claim for mileage during a level 2 session. We usually ride more than 1.5 miles especially on the last day when we are encouraged to put in a journey. I do not use a computer on my bike. Th erefore I don’t know if there is a solution for this.

For example this week I was at Cordwalles. My colleague (who has a computer) told me that the ride to the town centre and back was 3 miles. This we did on the Friday. I therefore claimed a mileage of 2 miles a session to accommodate this.

This is not a big deal and not even a bit annoying .
7 On the calendar it would be useful to have find a date. When reviewing consent form it would be useful to see all in one go for that weeks work
8 finding payslips and P60 seems complicated to me.
9 It’s a bit worrying that the pointers in the risk assessment maps can be moved when viewed on a phone but they seem to reset if you close and go back in.
10 I sometimes find it difficult to find information about allowances or to find where my unread messages can be found
11 Slightly annoying is when you use the calendar for availability and it takes you back to the current month each time so you have to scroll back through to the month you need before you click again.
12 Helmet- how many NON wearers Helmet does the school have helmet policy Better now that we can see parent comments as the simple YES/NO doesn’t give enough info
13 I’m not quite sure exactly what the database covers so it’s hard for me to say as we don’t tend to print off or request reports. If you mean instructor website functionality that we can see that is different from the database so a different question.

The consent information can be seen via two different paths: - clipboard icon and then magnifying glass - people icon

Can it all be in the same place so instructors working together are accessing the same information?
15 Make the UI a bit more phone friendly, i.e. scaling / display window position etc
16 None that I can think of at present.
17 I feel overwhelmed by all of it now we have an Iphone that I struggle to operate. I long for simplicity!
18 It doesn’t work abroad on mobile decices So when on holiday you can’t check for any updates etc.
19 The consent forms need to be updated so parents or guardians are encouraged to provide more information about their child.
20 The alerts are too numerous and confusing. Often more than one alert is received for just one change in scheduling.
21 Moving between different sections can be slow. The ability to go back to the previous page/screen that you were viewing rather than the first screen of a section would be a wish.
22 I don’t find aspects of the database particularly user friendly. Trying to find things like ratios was hard recently. Also the news item could be boxed and once you’ve read it change colour, so you don’t have to click on it again to check you’ve read it. It would be good if you could merge risk assessment maps of schools that are close together so all the areas can be used. This would save printing off several different maps.
23 Would like improvement in the size & quality of RA map that can be printed off

It would be more convenient to allow the function of changing availability on the same calendar as booking, instead of going back and forth the 2 sections. Currently I’ll have to make note of date/period I need to book off as I check through the booking calendar and than going to the availability section to make adjustment.

Also a regular once/twice a year reminder for instructor to update their detail on directory. I had a couple experiences where the old/wrong number was on the directory.
25 The option to state a preference for booking a part day not a full day. At present the only way to do this is to either block out all afternoons for example, or decline courses.
  • when filling out the pay claim, sometimes the ‘submit’ button remains greyed out and you have to go out of the pay claim page and then back in.
  • in the past I have tried to contact an instructor with details from the Directory and the details have been incorrect as the instructor has not responded
27 I would like to see the addition of on line quizzes to use for holiday courses and to use if bad weather brings courses to a premature end but there is undercover space to still do stuff
28 The system uses a combination of trainees and riders to refer to children taking part in courses. I thought the term should now be rider. We just need to be consistent in using it.
29 Sometimes when you enter lines into the new pay claim, you have to exit then re-enter to enable the submit button to become live. Schools can swap pupils around from one day to another. Once the day has past we can no longer access the original consent forms. We then often rely on one instructor having made a note of any particular pupils needs.
30 Office contact details clearly displayed on the first page.
31 I don’t believe the database has accurate records for SCC mobile phone numbers
32 The FAQ section could maybe have a drop down menu so that it’s easier to find the correct subject, rather than having to sift through everything. It can be difficult to find things like blank copies of a register, although perhaps this will no longer be necessary. (Currently, I can’t find one at all).
33 the option to delete the e-mail.
34 I don’t have time to go back and check. I’m on holiday tomorrow and didn’t realise until yesterday that I’m required to complete the survey. There are many things that could be tidied up. Also, when changes are made a full test should be carried out before the changes are made live. It’s frustrating that with nearly every change, other features stop working. The developer should be carrying out a full test before releasing the updates. It’s not it job to test and highlight bugs.
35 Still being new I am getting used to the database so cannot comment at this stage.
36 Training so confident in using as i always hobble -
37 When submitting expense claims the mileage calculator doesn’t always work.
38 Just the mileage on the expense claims. They don’t always appear.


“There is an option to group home page alerts by alert type. This has been tested for the admin pages and the office team find it to be more convenient. Would you like the same to be available?”

A screenshot of admin alerts was included

Should the control panel alerts be grouped? Number of Instructors
Yes 21
No 2
Don’t mind either way 32


7. Level 2 morning start time

“How would the following L2 course times - a later start with a shorter lunchbreak - work for you? The adjusted teaching times are shown. The pre- and post- course times would be added as now (so arrive at school at 9am for the 9:15am start, for example)”

How would the adjusted times affect you? Number of Instructors
Would not affect me 25
Would make the job more convenient for me 18
Would make the job less convenient for me; I prefer the current times 12

“Do you have any other suggestions or comments on course times?”

Twenty-one responses:

Reference Comments on course times
1 That ALL instructors are aware of, and adhere to, the time they are expected to arrive on site and leave site. Obviously there are the odd occasions when arriving late due to traffic or other unexpected circumstances is acceptable but an instructor regularly arriving late and requesting to leave early is extremely annoying, and unfair that they are paid for the same hours as the on-time instructor.
2 A shorter lunchtime would be better as most schools start the afternoon at 1
3 I would be happy to start some courses earlier if the school was in agreement. I would also consider doing some courses over weekends, Bike 1 for example.
4 Although I stated the proposed times would be less convenient for me, my answer was based around a shorter lunch break. Particularly in winter months or when traveling to a different school for the afternoons it would be impractical if cycling.
5 Please take into account travel time when you have different schools and the need to eat
6 Slightly later start for first morning session will make it easier for parking as well as the school office staff would have finished dealing with the rush of parents needing attention.
7 start earlier on Monday to sort out administration with the school or find a better way to sort out paper work first day
8 If you’re doing a full day a decent lunch break is needed to refresh especially if it’s really hot or cold.
9 The start/finish time of the second AM course is a sticking point as children at break at 10.50 or need to be back to school for lunch at 12/12.15
10 Starting the morning L2 courses later would also potentially allow for late comers as often we can’t start the course until 9:10 or 9:15 anyhow due to due to people arriving late or ironing out issues with registers etc.
11 I think the slightly later start would help some instructors to accept work if they have children themselves to get to school ( not applicable to me) but it would definately help with parking ( if driving) and avoiding general drop off chaos. I think school office staff would also appreciate the slightly later start so requests for registers ect. isn’t at one of their busiest times. The shorter lunch break would be fine too.
12 I’m happy with a shorter lunch break when teaching afternoon courses as well as morning courses, but this will obviously be determined by school lunch breaks. It may serve to get the trainee groups clear of the training areas before the school collection rush which, although helpful at times in terms of busier roads, can also be a hinderance I have found in my rather limited experience.
13 Arriving at a school whilst the gates are open usually avoids hassles of getting my bike into the playground, whereas a later start could miss the opportunity to get in easily. On the other hand, starting the first morning course a bit later is more likely to allow the riders to be ready to start on time, which some schools seem to find difficult.
14 The only issue I would have with the propose amended time would be if the afternoon course was at another school. With shorter lunch break I would not think it will be fair to send an instructor to another school (unless it’s 5mins or less cycle time) when working in another school in the morning.
15 If courses are shortened to 4 days then this is a more rushed delivery and tends to cut out a ‘journey’ possibility which the riders enjoy. The 5 day course works much better. Also when riders miss a day here and there it is extremely disruptive. They should be there for the full 5 sessions
16 More often than not our start time of 9am clashes with morning registration so trainees are often released from class after we have technically started a session.
17 I think the 0915 start is good as there is a bit more time for the school to get the trainees organised. The shorter mealbreak is fine unless there is a school change for the PM session
18 Only that the post teach and pre teach time allowances don’t add up to the amount of time available. For example if a course ends at 10.40 and then there is 20 minutes post teach, that leaves 5 minutes for the 15 minutes pre teach.
19 Starting at 9.00 for a Monday is best as it takes longer to get started with the first course. The finish time of 12.15 is good as a lot of schools have their lunch at 12.15 and after. The children do get a bit worried about missing their lunch and start to ask what the time is and will they make it back for lunch. if anything, the break at the moment is the covid time and has not gone back to the shorter time. The second group in the morning always seems to get a shorter course. The other thing about finish at 12.30 is it will not give enough time to get to another school for 1.15.
20 A lot of schools require the children to go into lunch between 12 and 12.15… I think finishing at 12.30 would cause problems.
21 Later start makes it fairer for mums and Dads with no additional help with their younger children so therefore is inclusive


8. Level 2 course structure

“Do you have any thoughts on the L2 course structure - how well do you think it works and would you change anything? If not, please write ‘none’”

Thirty-three responses:

Reference Comments on Level 2 structure
1 Remind some instructors that the first day is not a full level 1 course. Also the need to be more dynamic and less rigid in the order of teaching outcomes.

I like the idea of doing the pre course talk “clothing talk” etc with all the groups on day one to save time.

Also find doing the road signs and highlighting things like give way lines etc earlier in the week means they have a good understanding of the meaning of these before attempting the junction turns with give way signage. Maybe this could be part of the first day when time is usually used for checking skills or before commencing day 2
3 Day 1 is problematic as there are many things instructors can’t control - arrival times of kids (late starts) tech problems on bike repair, children not having the right equipment or no helmet/bike. These things affect delivery of the syllabus where some info/ activity is not sufficiently covered, like snaking. Not sure what the solution is but the “talk” can really run on, depending on the Instructor’s love of their own voice.
4 The course runs well when you have 5 days ! Can get a bit muddily over 4 days but being flexible is key
5 Some SCC visual aids might be helpful. Pictures clearly showing the positions to take at junctions, primary and secondary positions.

Works well. There is such a variation in abilities and rider numbers that I really dont see how it could be changed for the better.

There is one school that does L2 in Year 5 and it is noticeable in the maturity of riders. Unless there is something really to justify this it should be only encouraged in Year 6.
7 I think the structure generally works well. I think we could progress the active learning when moving groups and rider led groups.
8 I think it works well. I particularly like working with the newly trained instructors and also think that the Recognized Prior Learning Course was helpful to me. I think we need to continue with CPD to enable us to diversify and increase our repertoire.
9 I think the L2 course structure addresses everything needed and works well.
10 It works but like all things a little longer for sessions would help the riders get more practice
11 I would like the guidance to be more clearly worded. At the moment, the Delivery Guide has way too many words.
12 teach road signs earlier in the week
13 I do feel that trying to do the course in 4 days doesn’t give you enough time to really get through the syllabus in a meaningful way especially if you have a high number of students. If the school only has 4 days then we could try to up the hours to get the same as you would in 5 days.
14 More demos - less talking
15 The five-day setup means that the courses do not have a rushed feel about them as there is always part of Friday that can be used if, for any reason, the group or certain students within it have missed out on an earlier session. Personally, I think it works well. In addition, the students seem really to enjoy riding around the area on the last day putting into practice all that they have learnt on the previous days. The five-day setup also benefits the students from the point of view of the feedback on their certificates being more meaningful.
16 I feel the structure of L2 courses works well providing all participants can cycle adequately and their cycles are road worthy. Those who do not meet the criteria slow down the process especially the poor state of some cycles.

On Monday morning sometimes the school office does not always give us update information about a trainees changes in their circumstances over the weekend, for example fractured hand but still turns up to Day 1.

Sometimes schools ask us to bring in an original DBS?
18 L2 structure works well. ‘Making a journey’ on day 5 is a good idea if possible but could you clarify please?
Does this mean just going on a long ride on the last day (sometimes off road) to reach a certain destination, eg secondary school, station, etc.? In my experience, most riders will tend to just follow the leader without looking or thinking for themselves and start messing about. Or should this still be a day for individual observation? Making a journey by snaking to a chosen destination but stopping off at different junctions on the way to observe the riders completing all turns individually.
19 My main concern is the amount of riders missing odd days of training and the detrimental affect that has. It is important that riders and their bikes are seen on the first day of training so that they can have a safety talk and that there is time to assess riding skills. A ten minute assessment then straight out onto the road is not good practice.
20 I follow the SCC suggested timetable for 5 x 1hr 25 min sessions which I generally works well for most groups if the training area is close. I think longer sessions over less days can work in some situations (like at St. Georges, Weybridge) but runs the risk of information overload for less able riders.
21 I would strongly recommend doing the junction talk before attempting the side road. Priorities need to be understood at junctions before introducing the side road. I agree to always try and do the left in first, but I think the turns then, should be relaxed in their order of learning. This is simply to allow for what the junction and around lends to you. Eg, often a car is parked on the major road near the junction on the left side making a left in and left out hard, but a right in and right out might be perfectly placed here. What I’m saying is play to what the physical situation lends you. It shouldn’t be too prescriptive. In principle though , where junctions allow, I appreciate the order of outcomes taught.
22 Current structure works well
23 I think that spreading the course over five days works well for the trainees’ learning. The way the units have been broken down works well across the week as there is time to teach, revise and consolidate.
24 Too new to be able to make suggestions
25 Riders who miss the first day of the course should not be permitted to join on the second day. They have missed far too much instruction. Allowing them to join on the second day increases the risk for everyone involved in the training. Barnaby advised that instructors were taking a gamble in allowing this and he would not do it. We really need a consistent Surrey policy on this.
26 Currently I think the L2 Course structure works but I dont have a lot of experience delivering yet.
27 I think it works pretty well although with 8 trainees, there is the opportunity to reduce to 4 or even 3 sessions
28 The structure as it is works with the five days. It gives us the option to catch up if things do not run to plan. They get more option to ride their bike on the road for 4 full days.
29 Not at this stage as still new and learning how the courses run.
30 I think it works well how we do it. I think it really helps if a school have thought well about group formation in advance. Last minute adjustments are helpful as well but not last minute organisation where there has been no prior thought or organisation into group dynamics or specific individual needs. Helpful to have a committed person on board who is aware of individuals who may struggle and for them to have the interaction and communication with parents prior to the starting day. For example where a child has only just learnt to ride. School should have responsibility of making sure everyone understands that there is a learn to ride option rather than us having to remove a child because they are not steady or ready enough - as it is detrimental to the child the group and also quite a challenge for instructors having to facilitate this. I have had this problem twice - once on a level one course and and once on a level two course.
31 A shorter lunch break would work well.
32 I have on occasion travelled between schools in my lunch hour. The new course structure would limit time to do this. Plus, I think if you are asked to do this, you should get paid for your time.


9. Third Instructor on Level 2

“In your experience, how does having a third Instructor for a larger Level 2 group help the delivery - or if you think it doesn’t, why?”

The sentiments in each comment have been interpreted into a one-word summary for an overall impression. The individual comments follow the chart and the interpretation is shown.

The individual comments are:

Reference Comments on Level 2 structure Interpreted summary
1 A third instructor for larger groups is immensely beneficial. The whole group benefits in that longer distances start to stop can be utilised and cycling loops of, for example, left in/u-turn/left out/u-turn/right in can be easily accommodated as junctions and both u-turns can be covered by an instructor. It allows for a much greater ‘real’ riding experience and independent thinking for the learners and extends the amount of actual riding time for them. I would definitely welcome it. Yes
2 The only time I think 3 is beneficial is when we are linking junctions to make it more challenging for the rider so we can ensure they are covered safely. Depends
3 I think a third instructor helps delivery with a larger group. Yes
4 Adds nothing having a third instructor. If the group is large , the riders don’t gain anymore riding time . No
5 I feel a 3rd instructor for days 3-5 is useful if attempting linked junction turns with a u-turn but feel that 3 instructors for day 1&2 is a bit pointless! Depends
6 It helps. Another set of eyes to manage groups snaking or at junctions. Reduces stress level of other instrctors and helps in busy traffic situations. Yes

Sometimes it can be hard with a third instructor but this mainly depends on who the 3 instructors are

I never know where the third instructor goes in the snake

It can be useful to have an extra instructor so the children have more turns and longer cycling learning journeys with more skills added
8 A third instructor for larger groups is a must, sometimes hard to manage large groups waiting for their turn, plus third instructor can cover a junction or U turn or give feed back. Yes
9 It is a joy to have 3 instructors. The course flows much better and the riders get more riding time. Being able to add in a U turn frequently really helps link the work and get longer more complex journeys. Yes
10 It has alot to do with cooperation between the individual instructors. In my experience it works well if all instructors are happy to work as a team but has/can cause conflict if one instructor wants to work independently (this hopefully will have been solved due to a recent news post on lone working). Sometimes one instructor can feel supernumerary but after day two it can be a real bonus as it allows you to assess more outcomes in one journey and provides greater knowledge and experience of ‘a journey’ to the trainees and more active learning and progression. Depends
11 It helps especially with drills. The drills can be extended because the riskier areas can be manned and also there is another person available to give individual feedback or help riders observe other riders practice. Plus is there is a rider with more challenges we can have a bit of a 1:1 situation going on. Yes

Easier to link more complex journeys for those riders at this level. More eyes to watch riders. Can split (at the same junction) to teach several turns at once creating your own traffic, especially in quiet areas. I think for the schools, it would be easier for them to organise the groups with larger numbers in each one.

One big drawback is having such a large snake on the road. Doubling up, probably at all times, would likely be essential.
13 I don’t think it give a great benefit to the riders as the time is taken up by them practicing so more riders equals less riding times. One benefit is with three instructors you can give two demonstrations to the riders. Also allows you to combine junctions to give riders more of a challenge where junctions are close to each other Depends
14 I have often found that it hampers rather than enhances. Two instructors have a definite role while the third instructor often does not know where to insert him/herself. With the exception of making the u-turn easy to cover, allowing slightly more riding time, it is not enough to be counted as profitable to the sessions. Maybe we can take more time coming up with a beneficial way to work with three instructors. No
15 It helps a lot when controlling and keeping the riders safe Yes
16 It does make it easier but it depends on how well everyone gets on how well it works Depends
17 Yes helps with managing the number and allows more linking of activity to reinforce understanding and learning. Yes
18 It is very helpful particularly with large group, being able to Link outcomes, particularly in busier locations, however there are locations where three is not enough, with group of 8+ ie., St Ann’s Heath, Thorpe Yes
19 I think that it makes a real difference. In terms of group management, riding in the snake and being able to move riders through the activities faster or extend activities to give riders more riding time. For example starting groups off, extra instructor placement at junctions or ‘u’ turns or higher risk areas which allows for more linking up of activities for riders and more riding time and riding practise for larger groups. Yes
20 It depends on how well the co-instructors work together, it can be challenging to equally share tasks between three. Communication/teamwork must be excellent to ensure consistency in teaching. Often, one instructor will take a step back which can be frustrating for others. Three instructors can also mean increased instructor talking time/over coaching, when we are aiming to reduce that. It can be advantageous for risk management but also reduces rider empowerment as there is often an extra instructor on starts/stops (which would not normally happen as a two instructor course progresses). Depends
21 Ideally there wouldn’t be larger groups over 8! But I understand that sometimes groups can’t be divided into smaller groups with 2 instructors. How helpful having 3 instructors together depends alot on what combo of instructors you have together- do they work well together? It can work well at times if your linking up longer journeys and u turns but can depend alot on the training site and riders abilities too. With larger groups of riders you can often get focus and behaviour issues and the riders might get the best out of the course if you divide the group into 3 smaller or 1 larger and 1 small group for the teaching and possibly snaking (if you can stay in sight of each other) but bring it together to link up journeys. Depends
22 I think it works well as I can allow combining of junctions for turns and gives riders more opportunities to practice outcomes. Yes
23 Obviously, budget permitting, the more instructors you have on a course the better. It enhances the students’ experience, the practise of activities (improved line of sight etc), speed of initial bike-checks on the first day of a L2 course, improved and safer snaking (when one instructor has to move from the back of a group to the front it doesn’t leave a student as the rearmost rider). The only problems I could foresee from SCC’s point of view is if certain instructors have ‘their way’ of doing things and this possible inflexibility could create problems. Nothing insurmountable if everyone is grown-up about it. Yes
24 I personally feel if more than 8 riders are in a group this is too much for 2 instructors in terms of safety when snaking. It is highly beneficial for getting riders to do a sequence with 3 instructors so I think it does help delivery. Yes
  1. Could help with complicated link ups. 2 works well.
26 In most circumstances a third instructor is helpful in a snake, SEN trainees and linking more turns together. This does depend on the training area if there is plenty of junctions available and how far you have to snake. There is a difference of having 6 riders as you can achieve a lot more practice turns so a third instructor with more than 8 trainees is helpful. Doubling up in the snake has been helpful. Yes
27 Yes, I think a third instructor is helpful if more than 8 riders. They can help with any behaviour issues and can also allow for more riding time and further distances when linking turns. Yes
28 I find that a third instructor can help with group management of a larger group. Parking bikes, road crossings and linked drills but it does need all instructors to be flexible and organised with their roles. A third instructor can also help with moving a larger group, doubling up and seeing everyone through junctions. Yes
29 Very helpful to arrange longer drills.
Also very helpful if one rider needs extra help for whatever reason, such as understanding, health, discipline and bike issues.
However, dynamic assessment and decisions can be slower because of the need for agreement of all three Instructors.
30 Yes a third instructor helps. It can provide the option of longer linked activities with multiple junction turns. It enables linked activities with individual feedback to be delivered in a more fluid way. Yes
31 I think sometimes with three, one instructor can often feel redundant, as we’ve been taught to teach in the main with two instructors. It does however lend itself to being able to challenge the trainees with more complex rides and turns as more junctions can be covered. There are pros and cons, but I think maybe a 3rd instructor would be best used on days 3,4, and 5. I think their time isn’t needed the first two days. Depends
32 Can be beneficial: Creating longer routines for riders. Can have smaller groups for teaching which can then link up. Can group riders according to ability/progress - if appropriate. Have smaller groups of riders for journeys which they are leading. Third instructor could be tasked to give feedback. Negatives: may be challenging to get agreement between 3 instructors. The input by instructors should be equal - this does not always happen. Depends
33 I think it does help with the delivery in a larger group, especially allowing a better flow of the activity and opportunities for circuit/journey (more instructor to cover high risk point and/or giving feedback), therefore enabling the trainees with more cycle/active learning time. Yes
34 It makes a noticeable difference especially on days 3,4 and 5. Trainees end up with more riding time and instructors can position selves to allow for more complex/challenging junctions or for trainees to ride further between start and stop perhaps incorporating extra u-turns/stationary vehicles, etc. Also gives option of splitting group into mini snakes to “go for a ride” in a more realistic way (within view of group) Yes
35 Having a third instructor allows for more linked activities, however this depends on the riders ability to process a longer activity. It may be useful also if there is a rider with more challenging behaviour. However my preference is for 2 instructors and the possibility to split the group in two or double up riders. It flows better only having 2 instructors to agree what to do. Depends
36 Yes, it does help, because: - on day 1 if there are problems with the bikes, an extra instructor helps to keep the other children engaged, whilst the 3rd instructor can sort out the bikes (sometimes we have a lot of problems with bikes) - you can create longer/more complex journeys, therefore keeping the children cycling and more engaged - with an extra instructor all the children have more 1-2-1 time and engagement with an instructor Yes
37 Enables the riders to have more riding time/experience e.g riders can use two separate junctions linked by a relatively lengthy ride on the major road between the junctions. (one instructor on one junction, second instructor on the major road and the third on the second junction) Yes
38 I have been on courses with 3 instructors for 8 children. This is overkill in my opinion and leads to too many chiefs scenarios. Two is plenty for up to 8 Depends

This can work but it depends on so many factors. You can set up a longer journey for the riders but you really need to have them riding in pairs otherwise there is too much standing around wait for their turn. You are also likely to have multiple pairs riding at the same time so there is more risk management involved.

Often when we have a third instructor we will split into smaller groups keeping insight of each other.

Having a third instructor helps in rider management and covering all areas of risk at junctions. Also ensuring more riding time for riders.

It can also help when moving groups in some situations.
41 With large groups the 3rd instructor is useful in allowing larger linked activities (ie. able to cover an extra u-turn to keep the group moving). Also allows the groups to be split into smaller snakes to increase the opportunity for independent cycling. Yes
42 Having 3 instructors can create confusion as to who is delivering what regarding training and can become confusing for trainees and instructors especially if each instructor has a different style, with 2 instructors differences in style are more easily adapted to No
43 It was very helpful to have a third instructor at Waverly Abbey when we had a larger group than 8. It allowed for an extra pair of eyes and ears to ensure everyone was grasping the concepts and tasks taught. Yes
44 I think 1:2 is okay for up to 10 trainees in exceptional circumstances. 10+ trainees merit’s an extra instructor Depends

A third instructor can be useful to keep riders moving; more manoeuvres can be joined together, resulting in more cycling time and less standing around awaiting a turn.

A third instructor is also useful while snaking with a large group, either to ride alongside or go up to the junction for turns, so that an instructor can remain at the rear.
46 An even number is always best. If you have 9 trainees 2 trained instructor is fine for some course. 3 instructors if one of them is new and additional needs as thing can take longer to run a course. Good commutations with the school to choose where a 3rd instructor would be needed if the number goes over 8. Depends
47 I don’t think it works. Too many people required required for consensus on everything. No
48 For larger groups of more than 8 riders, an extra instructor can be very helpful, so we can get more cycle time in for all the riders. It can help with not having the riders wait too long and being able to continuously practicing what we are teaching them. Yes
49 Sometimes useful sometimes not, depends on the working relationship between the instructors! Depends
50 Even though I am new to this I can see how a third instructor would be a great benefit when managing a group on the roads. The presence of a third instructor would not only be an extra pair of eyes to monitor the group but would add a greater ‘presence’ on the road to help be visible to other road users and therefore improve safety. Yes
51 Two instructors is a better dynamic - it all depends on if the instructors know each other and the level of experience individually. It can work - I’m open but it sometimes it’s a dynamic where you have to take the role of stepping back. Saying that it can be very helpful in group management depending on the school, behaviour and schools preparation Depends
52 Having a third instructor is alway an advantage. Linking turns and u turns benefit by having another person. Also, the extra bike fixes that occur can be readily attended to without interrupting the session too much. Yes
53 It very much depends on the circumstances & the behaviour of the children. Often, earlier in the week an extra Instructor is not really needed but later on is very useful as you can do more complex junction turns/combinations. Depends
54 A third instructor can be useful for later in the week. This can allow for a better riding experience for the riders. It can give them more flexibility in riding link ups for example. The negative side to 3 instructors could be a greater risk to conflicting coaching styles and ideas. I think it can sometimes over complicate things. Depends
55 don’t believe it is required No


10. Level 1 course structure

“Do you think the course content of Level 1 should be reviewed to focus more on the four core functions?”